Mediatek Helio X20 MT6797 - 10-Core CPU von Mediatek

[johndebur]

Nur Gerüchte, wenns stimmt. naja mal abwarten

helio X20这么BT？ 10核跑分超7万！

helio X20 so BT? Nuclear run 10 minutes over 70,000!

MediaTek resorted to "helio" brand, began to impact the high-end market, has officially opened the Chinese name for helio million grand prize collection activities, an unprecedented marketing campaign reflects the importance of the domestic market. And just recently, MediaTek has begun to domestic manufacturers recommend helio latest products, people very surprised that - next really new 10-core design.

Industry analysts Pan Jiutang needle latest release news, MediaTek party recently recommended helio own brand new products to -Helio X20 vivo, millet and other domestic mobile phone manufacturers, Helio X20 highlight is the integrated 10 core, running points more people speechless, beyond MT6795 of 5W + soared to 7W + !

As the first implementation of a multi-core strategy of mobile phone IC design companies, but also nuclear war launched by MediaTek multicore road has been ahead of other companies, may be a lot of users do not have to forget the previous "eight nuclear war", the MediaTek played 10 nuclear card, people do not seem to be a very unexpected thing. And in January this year, they came
MediaTek want to launch 12-core mobile SOC rumors, but the 12 nuclear No, 10 nuclear'd really come. MediaTek helio combined conference on public information speculate that the new arrival helio X20 If the market early enough, it may continue to use the 64 A53 architecture, adding CAT.6 support, and may use or, more advanced 20nm process, should the listing Time to end or later, then helio X20 is expected to adopt the latest A72 ARM architecture processor of (A72 + A53), the specifications to be further understood.

MediaTek executives have said the second half will at least two new helio brands available, are used A72 platform, quad-core / eight-core points, just look at the number of cores, location has 10 core helio X20 may be higher than the above Both products, do not know Qualcomm will follow up the launch 10 nuclear program?

 

[SnowyNight]

Geht wohl darum in antutu bei dem s6 zu sein

 

[borg2k]

Immer mehr Kerne bringt aber halt nur bedingt mehr reale Leistung.

Das hat man schon vor langem im PC Bereich feststellen können. Viele Berechnungen von normalen Programmen lassen sich halt nicht beliebig parallelisieren. Insofern kommt hoffentlich bald ein umdenken und die Single-Core Effizienz wird wieder in den Hauptfokus gerückt. Mehr als 8 Kerne bringt meiner Meinung nach eher wenig bis gar nichts, außer in Benchmarks.

Bestes Beispiel dafür ist Apple mit seinen A-Chips, die bringen mit 2 CPU-Kernen mehr Leistung als viele 8-Core-ARM CPU´s von anderen Herstellern.

 

[hulkhogan]

Immer mehr Kerne bringt aber halt nur bedingt mehr reale Leistung.

Das hat man schon vor langem im PC Bereich feststellen können. Viele Berechnungen von normalen Programmen lassen sich halt nicht beliebig parallelisieren. Insofern kommt hoffentlich bald ein umdenken und die Single-Core Effizienz wird wieder in den Hauptfokus gerückt. Mehr als 8 Kerne bringt meiner Meinung nach eher wenig bis gar nichts, außer in Benchmarks.

Bestes Beispiel dafür ist Apple mit seinen A-Chips, die bringen mit 2 CPU-Kernen mehr Leistung als viele 8-Core-ARM CPU´s von anderen Herstellern.

Genauso siehts aus. Statt die Single Core Performance zu verbessern klatscht Mediatek einfach immer mehr CPU Kerne drauf.

Wenn man sich ansieht das z.B. im Antutu der MTK6589 mit 15.000 Antutu gegenüber MTK6582 (18.000 Antutu) nur durch die andere GPU (Alte Powervr vs. Mali 400) schneller ist und die Single Core Leistung gleich geblieben ist dann ist das schon traurig. Beim MTK6592 war es das gleiche...stolz hat man verkündet das man ~30000 Antutus schafft...ja schön und gut aber das schafft Snapdragon mit 4 Kernen mehr als locker. Rockchip schafft um die 40000 auch mit 4 Kernen.

 

[noplan]

Vor gefühlten 3 Tagen haben Besitzer von 1GB-RAM Phones beteuert, dass diese doch wirklich ausreichend sind. Jetzt fliegen die 4GB-RAM ein und unter 3 will auch nicht mehr jeder gehen.

...da sind 10 Kerne schon fast Pflicht

 

[borg2k]

Ram und Anzahl der Kerne lässt sich aber nicht wirklich vergleichen, dass ist ja noch Äpfel und Birnen besser als Vergleich.

 

[NotChinaMobiles]

Ich sehe das genauso wie noplan. Wenn ich mir überlege wie gut das jiayu G3 mit dualcore lief und 1 GB RAM. Das ding hatte nur 5000 antutu Punkte. Nu is ein 6582 mit 1gb RAM nicht mehr wirklich zeitgemäß.. Man sollte doch lieber auf die 64 bit socs zurück greifen da die 10.000 Punkte mehr bringen, und wenn möglich, 2gb RAM.... Das lustige, facebook und whatsapp als daily Nutzung und bissl anderen kram hat sich nicht geändert xD

D.h., ich halte diesen ganzen antutu Wahnsinn eh vollkommen für humbug.

Doch wie wichtig der score fürs marketing ist, beweisen übertaktungen beim benchen von antutu (Samsung mitn Galaxy s4)

 

[digidu]

Bestes Beispiel dafür ist Apple mit seinen A-Chips, die bringen mit 2 CPU-Kernen mehr Leistung als viele 8-Core-ARM CPU´s von anderen Herstellern.

Liegt ja auch daran, dass sie ihre SOCs selbst entwickeln, was hier und da auch Millionen von Forschung/Entwicklungskosten bedeutet .... Unsinn... Quark ... Bei Apple bezahlt man ja nur den Namen ^^

 

[Squizzy]

Liegt ja auch daran, dass sie ihre SOCs selbst entwickeln, was hier und da auch Millionen von Forschung/Entwicklungskosten bedeutet .... Unsinn... Quark ... Bei Apple bezahlt man ja nur den Namen ^^

Apple weiß einfach dass es einfacher ist Single Threads abzuarbeiten und bauen deshalb auf mehr Performance pro Core. Da reichen dann 2 davon.

Nur keiner erwähnt deren verbaute GPUs davon haben die auch ordentlich drin. Also "nur" dualcore ist falsch. Die gpu hat meine ich sogar 8 bei denen

 

[onemaster]

Nee meines hat nur 4 aber auch mit 4 GPU Kernen und nur 2 kernen rennt es immer noch schneller bzw flüssiger als 8 oder 4 Kerner. Das ist wie bei Kameras, mehr Megapixel bringen nur bedingt bessere Bilder.
Solange die Software nicht richtig an die Hardware angepasst bringen auch 1000 Kerne nix.

Und auch der nur 1 GB große RAM stellt bisher kein Hindernis da. Hatte schon oft ohne es zu merken gut und gerne weit über 20 Apps im Hintergrund wovon einige auch 3D Games waren, langsam wurde nix und geruckelt hat auch nix.
Aber auch mit Androiden mit "wenig" RAM hatte ich noch nie Probleme. Man sagt man braucht viel, aber wirklich benötigen tut es wohl keiner.[DOUBLEPOST=1429260460,1429260306][/DOUBLEPOST]

Genauso siehts aus. Statt die Single Core Performance zu verbessern klatscht Mediatek einfach immer mehr CPU Kerne drauf.

Wenn man sich ansieht das z.B. im Antutu der MTK6589 mit 15.000 Antutu gegenüber MTK6582 (18.000 Antutu) nur durch die andere GPU (Alte Powervr vs. Mali 400) schneller ist und die Single Core Leistung gleich geblieben ist dann ist das schon traurig. Beim MTK6592 war es das gleiche...stolz hat man verkündet das man ~30000 Antutus schafft...ja schön und gut aber das schafft Snapdragon mit 4 Kernen mehr als locker. Rockchip schafft um die 40000 auch mit 4 Kernen.

Ja auch das mein iPhone mit nur 2 Kernen schafft rund 50000 Punkte....

 

[johndebur]

Produktion beginnt angeblich im Juli.

独特3架构！联发科10核Helio X20七月量产 mtksj

3 unique architecture! MediaTek Helio X20 July 10 nuclear

Insiders claimed that some time ago, MediaTek has been recommended to own the latest domestic customers helio X20 chip, this product is due to the integrated 10 core run easily over 70,000 points while attention was crazy, so many friends shouted nuclear war MediaTek's too ferocious a.

However, according to information released by the Taiwan media point of view, Helio X20 although it will integrate 10 core CPU, but it is not a simple core stuffing, MediaTek in this new body will use its own research and development of three technical architecture.

Sources said, with 10 nuclear Helio X20 In addition to continuing the previous products using big.LITTLE architecture 4 + 4 A53 processor integrated together, but also an additional two Cortex-A57 core, forming a unique three architectural patterns, Taiwan media will Architecture size than the core architecture described as "Turbo", the additional two A57 CPU aim should be to make Helio X20 can independently adjust their performance and power, similar to a car turbo. And in this new body, the core number will no longer be the focus of official propaganda, 3 architecture is the core of the soul.

Interestingly, although the performance Cortex-A57 is more powerful, but also a corresponding increase in power consumption, after there was news show MediaTek will skip A57, the direct use of the latest ARM Cortex-A72 platform, now used in the body of Helio X20 A57, really a surprise, but the new 3 architecture seems to be a rather ideal solution, both open to mention body Turbo performance, reduce power consumption on or off.

The information in the table below show, Helio X20 will use TSMC 20nm process, will support LTE-A / Cat.6 standard, which is before the second half of MediaTek 20nm / Cat.6 new rumors match.

But if you think that 10-core SOC Helio X20 very far away from you would be wrong, this unique 3 architecture design solutions will be mass production in July this year, before or terminal equipped with the SOC products available.

 

[johndebur]

Ein paar Präsentationbilder vom X20:

这就是手机10核处理器！性能太恐怖了 mydrivers

This is the 10-core processor phone! Horrible performance

From the dual-core, quad-core, six-core to eight cores, MediaTek in the pursuit of multi-core phone on this child is indeed ahead of Qualcomm. Dissatisfied? 10 core processors are coming!

It is understood that MediaTek what new Helio X20 (ie MT6797) will be the first use of 10 core (20nm process), it is also the world's first three Tri-Cluster architecture processors . From @ Pan Jiutang latest release of the slide view, this processor will use three kinds of architecture mix, including the A72, A53 and four 2.0GHz clocked quad-core 1.4GHz frequency of the two clocked 2.5GHz A53.

This architecture is at the core of the original size on the basis of big.LITTLE, added two Turbo Core (A72 ). If you remove these two A72, its ordinary Helio X10 (MT6795) is a little different.

10 core natural to consider the power, certainly not when it is fully open. Here, MediaTek offers three operating modes: one, the economy mode, the four low-A53 core work only under the load balancing mode, open the four high frequency A53 core, and only under extreme load mode, will open another two A72 core .

From the official release of comparative performance point of view, Helio X20 security Bunny ran more than 7 points should be very , far more than Helio X10.

It is reported that the processor will be available this July production , in order to see the new machine is estimated that at least until the end of the year or early next year a.

 

[johndebur]

Helio X20 Specs

Helio X20规格揭晓 3架构/全模/25MP相机 mtksj

Helio X20 architecture specification announced 3 / Full

This year is the MediaTek Scored high-end market of a year, a variety of selling price go beyond the 3K even nearly 5K of products for the Luen Fat section chief a lot of face, while these models are, without exception adopted the MediaTek high-end brand helio X10/MT6795 Platform.

helio X10 just lianfake knocking on the the high-end the market door of this Pioneer product, the next there are even more Scorchin 'Hot of new products will be available, this product is is the before the exposure of Helio X20 , X20 carried out in the on a conventional big.LITTLE schema upgrade, first time using a chic of 3 architecture design, but also joined the ARM recently introduced of Cortex-A72 processor, is expected to will be higher than X10 a on the steps performance. A few days ago more Xiangxi of helio X20 specifications have been surfaced.

According to industry analysis personage Pan Jiutang publicly of data shows, MTK Helio X20 will locking in a high-pass current the strongest flagship Xiao dragon 810 for a competitor, elapsed time is approximately volume production to market for the fourth quarter of of this year. helio X20 confirmed the use of more advanced than towards-generation product of 20nm process technology, from the underlying reduced power consumption to enhance the performance, will adopt more cattle of three architecture, helio X20 the built-in four 1.4GHz main frequency of A53 processor and four 2GHz main frequency of A53 CPU, in addition, helio X20 also integrates 2 maximum frequency of up 2.5GHz of A57 processor, a total of has 10 core, become a mobile phone chip industry the largest the number of cores single chip solutions.

Before's Information display, Helio X20 will have three runtime modes, 1.4GHz the main frequency of A53 quad-core the processor is running under low-power mode; take into account the performance and power consumption when 2GHz quad-core A53 open; will application when A72 processor turned on ships within ultra-high load scenarios, performance will reach the extreme. Allegedly This design inspiration comes from the turbine automobile on of, let flexible run Helio X20 according to the load situation act according to circumstances of.

Such as MT6795 and other products the same as, MediaTek still endowed with Helio X20 intrepid of multimedia performance, X20 are equipped with the is ARM Mali-T880 MP4 a new generation of high-end graphics processor, can support up to 25 million pixel camera (built-in dual ISP), support 4K2K 30fps H.265 video codec, support up to 2560 * 1600 ultra high definition display and 120Hz ultra-high-Frame Rate display technology and so on.

Addition to the above, Helio X20 supports dual-channel LPDDR3 memory, has a perfect network compatibility, able support CAT.6 standard, containing FDD / TDD / WCDMA / TDS / CDMA / GSM, integrated multi--in-one wireless chip to realize dual-band WIFI, Bluetooth , GPS / Beidou / Glonass and so on functions.

After the MediaTek Q1 earnings announcement, because of the previous quarter on revenue of there are decline in was a lot of media bad-mouthing, but analysis personage believe, MediaTek Q2 will be maintained achievement Q1 of, but the performance of the second half of of will appear growth in, the annual shipments 450 million of expected is still expected to to reach a.

 

[Barbudo]

Gabs da nicht mal was das Mediatek mit AMD kooperieren will ? Ich finde ein Smartphone mit quadcore reichen völlig, dazu 3 GB ddr4 RAM und einer sehr guten GPU. Dann wäre da noch die Software, da fehlt es einfach an Innovationen da muss einfach mehr kommen.

 

[Ora]

ICH brauche nur soviele Kerne, das alle Sensoren und ein paar mehr sicher funktionieren. Kerne machen es nicht wasserdicht und zeigen mir weder die Himmelsrichtung noch bringen die ein ecxelentes Foto oder ein Slow Motion Video auf die Beine. ANT+, NFC, Druck-, Puls- Sensoren und Activ Dual SIM sind für mich erstrebenswerter. Und Telefonieren könnte es auch noch.

 

[N2k1]

Ich finde es interessant, wieviele Hardware-Designer hier unterwegs sind.
Den Quatsch, daß man nicht mehr als 2-4 Kerne bräuchte, haben Samsung und Qualcomm auch solange erzählt, bis sie selbst Octacores hatten.
Single-Core-Performance-Tests sind - außer bei iOS - totaler Nonsens!
Es geht nicht darum, ob ich in einem Programm alles beliebig parallelisieren kann.
Bei iOS wurden lange zeit alle Nicht-Apple-Hintergund-Prozesse angehalten.
Bei Android ist das nunmal komplett anders.
Und hier laufen eben eine Vielzahl von verschiedenen Programmen gleichzeitig - nicht nur eine Reihe von Prozessen eines Programms.
Und zu der Aussage, daß das beim PC ja erkannt wurde.
Ja, klar, und deshalb nimmt man dann Boards, wo man nicht nur eine CPU drauf setzt - sondern 4 (und mehr) Octa-CPUs gleichzeitig.

 

[Skyfire]

Mein 2 Cents : Navigon auf Galaxy S3 braucht kaum länger als auf dem THL 5000. Sygic ist auf dem THL 5000 viel viel schneller fertig. Bei beiden Geräten ist vom RAM immer was frei. Beim S3 200 MB beim THL 1200 MB. Also ich brauch keine 20 Kerne oder 50 MB RAM . Aber ist halt auch Verkaufs Strategie...

 

[johndebur]

Neues vom Helio X20

Hier steht das was mydrivers geschrieben hat in besserem Englisch :

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x20



联发科10核正式发布：越看越可怕！ mydrivers

MediaTek 10 nuclear released: ever more terrible!

MediaTek's 10 core mobile processor intensive exposure recently, did not expect so soon officially released, eventually named Helio X20 , part number MT6597 .

It easily won the " world's first mobile processor SoC a ten-core "in the world, as before the MT6592 is the world's first true eight-core.

Because the public version of the ARM architecture extensions limit, MT6797 also the first time the three clusters (Tri-Cluster) architecture, more than double the size of the current widespread use of cluster big.LITTLE hybrid architecture further.

Inside MT6797, the two responsible for displaying the highest performance 2.3-2.5GHz A72 core, four balance between performance and power consumption 2.0GHz A53 core of four responsible for the low load task and energy saving core 1.4GHz A53. Each cluster has its own cache, then by bus interconnect (MCSI) system consistency MediaTek own design together --ARM February announcement of CCI-500 bus can interconnect up to four clusters, but MediaTek and did not use it, it may be made from their own adjustments on its basis.

In contrast, Helio X10 MT6795 using eight core 2.2GHz A53. (A57 is constantly ignored in ......)

MediaTek said, MT6797 of this three-cluster design is more conducive to power optimization, coupled with 20nm process, the final than double cluster design reduces power consumption by 30%.

Graphics core has been greatly changed, no longer use PowerVR program, and instead integrates an ARM Mali-T8xx MP4, frequency of 700MHz . Specific models unpublished because MediaTek say this is the new model has not yet released an ARM, most high-end T880 similar but more advanced.

MediaTek not consistently emphasized GPU performance, but this time is very'm blowing, known as compared to the MT6595 PowerVR G6200 performance increase up to 40 percent and power consumption by up to 40%.

Memory remains unchanged, or dual-channel 32-bit LPDDR3-933 , bandwidth of 14.9GB / s. Why not on the LPDDR4? MediaTek said that now is the highest-resolution phone screen 2K level, LPDDR3 cope sufficient.

Network is a baseband integrated LTE Cat.6 specifications, support 2 × 20MHz download carrier aggregation , the maximum download speed 300Mbps, upload speed 50Mbps, especially in addition to TD-SCDMA, DC-HSPA + addition also supports CDMA2000 1x / EVDO Rev.A , It can be truly whole Netcom, Telecom users but also moved.

The new baseband MT6795 power consumption than saving up to 30%.

The wireless network may support 802.11ac Wi-Fi , it should be a single spatial stream, the maximum speed of 280Mbps.

Multimedia and MT6795 consistent support 2160p30 10-bit H.264 / HEVC / VP9 decoding, 2160p30 HEVC w / HDR coding, but called codec consumption decreased by 30%, 40%. Camera partially upgraded to support dual ISP, up 32000000 pixels also support dual master Camera + 3D depth, 120Hz Refresh Rate dynamic screens multiplex mode noise engines.

Why do you say so multimedia into the rearward position? Because it has more secrets: a new integrated auxiliary core Cortex-M4 architecture can do both audio processor to perform low-power audio decode, speech enhancement, speech recognition, or a sensor hub, has taken over from the main CPU processing the sensor data.

This means that, based on its device can continue to play music at the time shut down most system components, of course, is power.

Helio X20 MT6797 will send samples in the third quarter of this year, smart phones are expected by the end of 2015 released to market. Guess who will get it first?

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联发科十核处理器更多详情曝光：高通压力山大 mydrivers

MediaTek 10 core processor for more details Exposure: Qualcomm pressure Alexander

Remember before the exposure of MediaTek ten core processor Helio X20 it? Today analysts Sun Changxu teacher gives more details about the processor.

Sun Changxu teachers participated in the afternoon should be MediaTek's Helio X20 technology can communicate and share a few slides.

According to her statement, MediaTek between the size of the core architecture to increase the "nuclear" for different applications can be dynamically with various nuclear order lowest power consumption. The challenge is for each core switching process overhead and stability .

The view from the previous statement, Helio X20 architecture built A72 2.5GHz core clock speed of two, Cortex-A53 core of four 2.0GHz and 1.5GHz A53 core of four. A72 which is naturally large nucleus, 1.5GHz The A53 is clearly small nucleus, while the 2.0GHz A53 is the so-called nuclear.

In addition, Sun Changxu said, Helio X20 is manufactured using 20nm technology, integrated baseband support the entire network, but also to support telecommunications SRLTE .

Update:

The baseband has also joined the LTA Cat.6 and dual-carrier aggregation.

 

[Daemonarch]

MediaTek 10 nuclear released: ever more terrible!

Terrible for who?

 

[johndebur]

Terrible for who?

keine Ahnung, kann auch chinesische Ironie oder schlechte Übersetzung sein

Also so sehen das die anderen:

bing : More and more scary!
baidu: More and more terrible!
yandex: Starting to look scary!
google: Ever more terrible!
freetranslation: The more I look at it, the terrible!
systran: More looks is more fearful!
worldlingo: More looks fearfully!
babylon: The more I look at it, the terrible!
citcat: More and more horrible！
linguatec: Feel more dreadful , as watching more!
reverso: The more I look at it, the terrible!
transtar: Ever more terrible!

Keine Ahnung, kann auch einfach ein schlauer Spruch von Konfuzius sein.